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« The Hero's Journey | Main | Highly Motivated Employees (The Young and the Restless Part 1) »

February 22, 2019

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Ted

Sounds like that manager did the employee a big favor

Macho Management

My Dear, It is all Business, nothing Personal.

RK

Thank Heavens for the bad managers. The world could not have been a better place without them. They are God sent to spur innovation and growth that comes with new start ups and new ventures.

OD

Respect has to be earned. It is not handed on silver platter.

KS

New manager more interest in levels and compare with himself then respect value of employee.
His thinking, seniority more important than results. It is good employee leave the company. In many place hard to leave and employees stay but no motivation.
Good companies go bad when managers like this.

NS

In this case, the person probably did not deserve any promotion - but the straight talking manager should have said that the issue was the person's work needed improvement, or the person was insufficiently qualified, or had a bad attitude, or all of the above. Could have been true in this case, but generally speaking, being insufficiently old isn't a valid reason. :-)

No NonSense

Lack of common sense and Lack of understanding human psychology are evident in here. The young man in the story, like few others I know, did not care about titles, money. What motivated him was challenges.
By telling "Don't get any ideas for promotion (something that did not matter to young man anyway) for next few years" he effectively told the young man that it does not matter what you do for next few years. We count years not results.

Again, the issue has nothing to do with promotion or title but choice of words and lack of understanding human feelings.

CM

I disagree with OD.

It is trust has to be earned, not respect.
Respect should always be given.

Until there is a good and sound reason to which one loses respect for another, all of us in our professional work and personal lives should treat other people with respect... from the CEO to the janitor.

Being belittled, underminded, yelled at and backstabbed are things that not only break trust and respect but also break business deals and is the antithesis of success in the workplace.

JackL

If I were that young guy, I'd talk to HR right the way. This so called "no nonsense" manager has just exposed the company to a big fat law suit for age discrimination regardless of the context.

The 2 bosses that found out about it should also realize that it's a red flag and if they keep that manager on, they will have a brain drain on their hands.

CM

I disagree with OD.

It is trust has to be earned, not respect.
Respect should always be given.

Until there is a good and sound reason to which one loses respect for another, all of us in our professional work and personal lives should treat other people with respect... from the CEO to the janitor.

Being belittled, underminded, yelled at and backstabbed are things that not only break trust and respect but also break business deals and is the antithesis of success in the workplace.

Concerned

But nowadays I have seen people tent to just say it and dont really care too much about others’ feeling.

RCG 1984

Anand, good afternoon. This is a very good one.

Thomas

I agree with CM: "It is trust that has to be earned, not respect. Respect should always be given."

Excellent.

micro CEO

The old adage suggests, "good help is hard to find."
But in my personal experience, good leadership is far harder to find.
This new manager, like so many people in this world that is rife with overconfidence, assumed that his employees should never surpass his own career experience or success. The employee was thus considered over-paid, not based on actual direct or intangible ROA, but just because he didn't fit his manager's image of a proper employee.

This is not a question of earning the manager's trust. Instead, this sounds like the manager's desire to subordinate organizational success in favor of authoritarian control. But a manager may not realize the crucial importance of his employees until he loses them.
The employee, if smart, will leave and seek greater happiness and independence. No one wishes for change or adversity. But it may be a blessing in due time (as several commenters noted). Such was the case for the entrepreneurial "Traitorous Eight" who left Shockley's lab to found Fairchild (and eventually Intel Corporation). Too bad for the original organization, which accumulates mediocrity over time, following the infamous "Peter Principle".

Sujat (received by mail and posted by FR team)

I like this.
I find the line at the end very important: "What we owe to ourselves and everyone around is to examine the reasons of our true intent." - Intention + emotional energy is what either builds us or breaks us. Awareness of our intentions + emotional energy is the only thing that takes us back to our innate Divinity.

It is much like looking at ourselves in a mirror without wearing any mask.... without any justification.

exRabbleRouser

That aside, if the two bosses of the new boss were doing their job, they should relieve the new boss his duty immediately upon hearing what he said. Totally unacceptable to let it go while recognizing the potential consequences.

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