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November 29, 2007

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a guy from china

What time are you from, man?

The whole system to capitalism is based on no loyalty, "freedom" or "liberty" in better words. The whole concept is the labor do not need to be tied with the "owners" or "masters" and can work freely in the city for the industry. So now you pick up a story almost 1000 years ago, in another end of the earth, to try to cleaverly support some word from Warren Buffett as a Friday reflection? You need to double check with Warren Buffett himself to see your "loyalty" has the same meaning of his "integrity", if you can speak with him.

this is a joke. Lol.

Manufacturing Guy

Interesting perspectives!
As demonstrated countless times in team sports and in business. Success is based on your team-mate/partner/colleague "being there/executing/supporting" when the times are tough. (could be called integrity/could be called loyalty). The cult of selfish "what's in it for me" at the expense of team-mates/partners and colleagues eventually lead to your or your companies demise.
"When the bullets start flying, which kind of person do you want standing beside you?"

shafqat

Great post! So translating to a different field, does this mean that in business we should be ruthless, but in friendship kind? Or can a business survive without being ruthless?

Shafqat

Micro-CEO in training

This is memorable.
Last week I visited my alma mater primary school and sat in on the first grade class. In the morning the students gathered around for circle time (morning meeting), and I watched as the teacher dilligently reminded her students about of the importance and application of the 4 C's: Courtesy, Carefulness, Consideration, and Cooperation. (Loyalty is not listed, but I believe it is implied). Perhaps these are the embodiment of Integrity. Needless to say, I was impressed by this teacher.

To the "Guy from China" I would like to reply that there may be cultural or historical reasons to find fault with the word "loyalty", but perhaps cooperation is a more innocuous term where we can find ground to cuncur. Who would deny that integrity and cooperation are the very glue that holds our society together? These are consistent even with a capitalistic society, since only cooperation and win-win relationships can foster sustained success.

In the world of diamonds, we also speak of 4 C's: Carat, Clarity, Colour, Cut are the qualities that determine brilliance, fire, and final value. I believe Courtesy, Carefulness, Consideration, and Cooperation are what give humans our brilliance, fire, and final value in society.

(P.S. : I love the quote from A.Lincoln! Thanks to S. Murphy)

Oliver

Unfortunately loyalty is a lost term in the fast paced business world. When multinational corporations layoff 1000s of workers at the blink of an eye, why should employees be loyal to their company?

Oliver

Unfortunately loyalty is a lost term in the fast paced business world. When multinational corporations layoff 1000s of workers at the blink of an eye, why should employees be loyal to their company?

Oliver

Unfortunately loyalty is a lost term in the fast paced business world. When multinational corporations layoff 1000s of workers at the blink of an eye, why should employees be loyal to their company?

Richard

Loyalty and integrity are not the same thing.

Loyalty is when you do something you disagree with because your "leader" asked you to. Integrity is when you don't do something you disagree with even though your "leader" told you to.

Loyalty is something you give to another person, to the detriment of everyone else. Integrity is something you have within yourself, to the benefit of everyone.

Hire people with integrity: they will give you their best work while they are with you, and keep your secrets when they leave.

Don't hire people with loyalty: they will give you their best work while they are still with you, but will give away your secret to their new master when their loyalties change.

Layli

I agree with your post, Richard. Integrity bears loyalty and not vice versa. Hire people with integrity, and it's like hiring ten.

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